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	<title>Comments on: I&#8217;m Not The Jerk In E-book Pricing, And Trunk Novels</title>
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		<title>By: TK</title>
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		<dc:creator>TK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 21:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah F and Dee:

I think  that you have both misinterpreted the author&#039;s purpose in posting.  It&#039;s not to convince you that Amazon is evil or that the publisher is angelic (we all know how false that dichotomy is when it comes to business) but rather to point out that the author has no control.  So e-mails to the author will do nothing but make the author frustrated and angry that a situation beyond their control is 1) upsetting and inconveniencing their fans [who they love, by the way] and 2) making them feel guilty because they can&#039;t do more.

I would say that Lilith is being very direct and calm about this issue.  Did you realize that, as well as writing authors e-mails, people are giving 1-star reviews to books because they are not available for the Kindle?  There is some mistaken impression that this is a logical means of voicing their discontent about the lack of e-book format.  Which I hope everyone can agree is just insane since reviews are for content and not for format!

Anyway, to finish, thank you for the post, Lilith.  I hope that the issues are resolved so that you and your fans don&#039;t have to deal with this any longer.  And have a great weekend!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah F and Dee:</p>
<p>I think  that you have both misinterpreted the author&#8217;s purpose in posting.  It&#8217;s not to convince you that Amazon is evil or that the publisher is angelic (we all know how false that dichotomy is when it comes to business) but rather to point out that the author has no control.  So e-mails to the author will do nothing but make the author frustrated and angry that a situation beyond their control is 1) upsetting and inconveniencing their fans [who they love, by the way] and 2) making them feel guilty because they can&#8217;t do more.</p>
<p>I would say that Lilith is being very direct and calm about this issue.  Did you realize that, as well as writing authors e-mails, people are giving 1-star reviews to books because they are not available for the Kindle?  There is some mistaken impression that this is a logical means of voicing their discontent about the lack of e-book format.  Which I hope everyone can agree is just insane since reviews are for content and not for format!</p>
<p>Anyway, to finish, thank you for the post, Lilith.  I hope that the issues are resolved so that you and your fans don&#8217;t have to deal with this any longer.  And have a great weekend!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 18:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Dee on this. The same way authors don&#039;t want to open their inbox to a bunch of complaints, I don&#039;t want to read an author&#039;s blog and feel like I am being gotten on to for something. There are much nicer ways to phrase your frustration. Many authors I read are putting up posts like this and it is just as frustrating.

Amazon is not stopping ebook sales. If they had the right to sell these books right now they would - because they would be making money off of them. Penguin won&#039;t let them sell the books because the two can&#039;t/won&#039;t come to an agreement. Is it all Penguin&#039;s fault? No, but it isn&#039;t all Amazon&#039;s fault either but most authors want their readers to believe it is.

Maybe I have a hard time reading blogs like this because I disagree and think Amazon should be able to price books any way they want. I can go over to Target or Walmart right now and buy brand new books at a discount. Why should that be any different for my Kindle?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Dee on this. The same way authors don&#8217;t want to open their inbox to a bunch of complaints, I don&#8217;t want to read an author&#8217;s blog and feel like I am being gotten on to for something. There are much nicer ways to phrase your frustration. Many authors I read are putting up posts like this and it is just as frustrating.</p>
<p>Amazon is not stopping ebook sales. If they had the right to sell these books right now they would &#8211; because they would be making money off of them. Penguin won&#8217;t let them sell the books because the two can&#8217;t/won&#8217;t come to an agreement. Is it all Penguin&#8217;s fault? No, but it isn&#8217;t all Amazon&#8217;s fault either but most authors want their readers to believe it is.</p>
<p>Maybe I have a hard time reading blogs like this because I disagree and think Amazon should be able to price books any way they want. I can go over to Target or Walmart right now and buy brand new books at a discount. Why should that be any different for my Kindle?</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 12:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As just a plain old reader here I have to say I have a Kindle and just realized that some of my favorite authors newest books are not being made available. I NEVER thought to blame the author or the publisher. I always put the blame squarely on Amazon! I figured it had to do with $$$$ and while I am not happy about it, I can go out buy the books with coupons or at a discount or get them from my library.  Just think of  the Aussies out there who pay so much and wait so long for all the goodies we can get here on the day they are released.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As just a plain old reader here I have to say I have a Kindle and just realized that some of my favorite authors newest books are not being made available. I NEVER thought to blame the author or the publisher. I always put the blame squarely on Amazon! I figured it had to do with $$$$ and while I am not happy about it, I can go out buy the books with coupons or at a discount or get them from my library.  Just think of  the Aussies out there who pay so much and wait so long for all the goodies we can get here on the day they are released.</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s the deal with Kindle? &#124; Ilona Andrews</title>
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		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s the deal with Kindle? &#124; Ilona Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 14:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Crystal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crystal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 13:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for clarifying, Lilith. I was recently annoyed with the Sony library trying to find an Anne Bishop book. They had all by one in the series and that one was only available in Canada. I called the Sony people to figure it out. It was the same reason you stated above, they were having issues between the agreement with the publisher. I went elsewhere to shop. 

I was actually quite stunned that you are getting emails to that extent regarding this. I&#039;ve read a few other posts about the issue and it seems pretty straight forward. It seems obvious who to blame. I don&#039;t think it ever crossed my mind at any point to question the authors regarding it. 

I have a thing for books. I think I&#039;ve read novels 12 since last month. You&#039;re one of my favorites. I also have secret desires to be a writer though -in my heart- I think everything I have is a trunk piece. I have researched the publishing and distributing processes just incase there&#039;s some gem that comes from my work. That said, I can grasp the fortitude and commitment writing takes and some of the powerlessness writers have when their work is taken to print.  

Since I seem to be getting long-winded, I just wanted to say in closing; you&#039;re doing a great job and, if it comes to it, I&#039;d scour the globe to read and support your work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for clarifying, Lilith. I was recently annoyed with the Sony library trying to find an Anne Bishop book. They had all by one in the series and that one was only available in Canada. I called the Sony people to figure it out. It was the same reason you stated above, they were having issues between the agreement with the publisher. I went elsewhere to shop. </p>
<p>I was actually quite stunned that you are getting emails to that extent regarding this. I&#8217;ve read a few other posts about the issue and it seems pretty straight forward. It seems obvious who to blame. I don&#8217;t think it ever crossed my mind at any point to question the authors regarding it. </p>
<p>I have a thing for books. I think I&#8217;ve read novels 12 since last month. You&#8217;re one of my favorites. I also have secret desires to be a writer though -in my heart- I think everything I have is a trunk piece. I have researched the publishing and distributing processes just incase there&#8217;s some gem that comes from my work. That said, I can grasp the fortitude and commitment writing takes and some of the powerlessness writers have when their work is taken to print.  </p>
<p>Since I seem to be getting long-winded, I just wanted to say in closing; you&#8217;re doing a great job and, if it comes to it, I&#8217;d scour the globe to read and support your work.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 03:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out Eric Flint and Jim Baen for more arguments about e-books and pricing.  Point of view of an author and a small publisher.  Eric goes VERY deep into the various sales and pricing models (a little deep for me) but he has clearly done a lot of research on the subject - including tracking sales.  Interesting reading if you read as much as I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out Eric Flint and Jim Baen for more arguments about e-books and pricing.  Point of view of an author and a small publisher.  Eric goes VERY deep into the various sales and pricing models (a little deep for me) but he has clearly done a lot of research on the subject &#8211; including tracking sales.  Interesting reading if you read as much as I do.</p>
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		<title>By: Link Salad, And Some Advice &#171; Deadline Dames</title>
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		<dc:creator>Link Salad, And Some Advice &#171; Deadline Dames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Yesterday I talked about trunk novels and e-book pricing. I am monitoring the comments pretty closely, because there has been trollage. I laugh quietly at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Yesterday I talked about trunk novels and e-book pricing. I am monitoring the comments pretty closely, because there has been trollage. I laugh quietly at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lili</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Serenity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Serenity.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Tyson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 12:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurel, 

Way more than that.  Standard trade paperback price is $33.  About $22 or so for MMPB.

Serenity,

Sorry, but I doubt you will talk people that want mp3s that are not available into buying LPs, either.

Also, in the real world most of us live in, this sort of thing is happening:  Some not so bright publishers sell through one outlet.  Have dispute.  Books no longer on sale *anywhere*.  How do you buy them elsewhere in that case?

Or they&#039;ll let say Apple or Barnes and Noble sell them, and no-one else, which means no-one outside the USA can ever buy them.

On the whole agency thing. It is also possible that this will cause a considerable sales decline.  If that happens, we would expect that there should be no complaints from the publisher/writer camp then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurel, </p>
<p>Way more than that.  Standard trade paperback price is $33.  About $22 or so for MMPB.</p>
<p>Serenity,</p>
<p>Sorry, but I doubt you will talk people that want mp3s that are not available into buying LPs, either.</p>
<p>Also, in the real world most of us live in, this sort of thing is happening:  Some not so bright publishers sell through one outlet.  Have dispute.  Books no longer on sale *anywhere*.  How do you buy them elsewhere in that case?</p>
<p>Or they&#8217;ll let say Apple or Barnes and Noble sell them, and no-one else, which means no-one outside the USA can ever buy them.</p>
<p>On the whole agency thing. It is also possible that this will cause a considerable sales decline.  If that happens, we would expect that there should be no complaints from the publisher/writer camp then?</p>
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		<title>By: Serenity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Serenity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Dee... Slow down tiger. Lilith was merely saying, stop flooding my inbox, I cannot do a thing about it. And she really can&#039;t. For that to happen she&#039;d had to be a one-woman empire, controlling everything from the writing to the distribution, which I&#039;m certain no writer has the time for. She then explained all the ins and outs and why it&#039;s irking her and it&#039;s all perfectly valid. 

It&#039;s not up to Lilith to come up with the solutions to the problems the distributors are causing. 

See it this way, you are a writer, it&#039;s your sole income and suddenly you&#039;re getting less money because the distributor wants to make a bigger profit. A profit he wouldn&#039;t see a cent of if you hadn&#039;t written the book in the first place. And take it a step further, if writers can&#039;t make a living off writing, there won&#039;t be very many books to buy. 

Remember: It&#039;s up to us as consumers to keep the suppliers honest, because we all know they cannot do it themselves. If an author&#039;s books are dropped by one distibutor because they are not prepared to pay the ferryman as it were, well then we just have to move on to the next one. They&#039;ll catch on very quickly that they&#039;re losing business and make it available again. And really, if ebooks aren&#039;t available, just go back to buying an old fashioned book. There&#039;s nothing as satisfying as cracking the spine of a new book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Dee&#8230; Slow down tiger. Lilith was merely saying, stop flooding my inbox, I cannot do a thing about it. And she really can&#8217;t. For that to happen she&#8217;d had to be a one-woman empire, controlling everything from the writing to the distribution, which I&#8217;m certain no writer has the time for. She then explained all the ins and outs and why it&#8217;s irking her and it&#8217;s all perfectly valid. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not up to Lilith to come up with the solutions to the problems the distributors are causing. </p>
<p>See it this way, you are a writer, it&#8217;s your sole income and suddenly you&#8217;re getting less money because the distributor wants to make a bigger profit. A profit he wouldn&#8217;t see a cent of if you hadn&#8217;t written the book in the first place. And take it a step further, if writers can&#8217;t make a living off writing, there won&#8217;t be very many books to buy. </p>
<p>Remember: It&#8217;s up to us as consumers to keep the suppliers honest, because we all know they cannot do it themselves. If an author&#8217;s books are dropped by one distibutor because they are not prepared to pay the ferryman as it were, well then we just have to move on to the next one. They&#8217;ll catch on very quickly that they&#8217;re losing business and make it available again. And really, if ebooks aren&#8217;t available, just go back to buying an old fashioned book. There&#8217;s nothing as satisfying as cracking the spine of a new book.</p>
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