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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://www.lilithsaintcrow.com/journal/2009/04/this-is-not-a-glitch-amazonfail/comment-page-5/#comment-56245</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 02:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who is disabled and in her early 20s, I greatly appreciate the fact that you commented on the disability angle.  I hate what&#039;s happened and the various groups and individuals affected by it, but it&#039;s also rather hard to see people in an uproar about Amazon being homophobic (in their opinions; I cannot comment objectively, obviously) are not talking about the group you belong to.   I know there weren&#039;t nearly as many books related to disabilities delisted as those related to homosexuality, but it still needs to be known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who is disabled and in her early 20s, I greatly appreciate the fact that you commented on the disability angle.  I hate what&#8217;s happened and the various groups and individuals affected by it, but it&#8217;s also rather hard to see people in an uproar about Amazon being homophobic (in their opinions; I cannot comment objectively, obviously) are not talking about the group you belong to.   I know there weren&#8217;t nearly as many books related to disabilities delisted as those related to homosexuality, but it still needs to be known.</p>
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		<title>By: Official Shrub.com Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Update on AmazonFail</title>
		<link>http://www.lilithsaintcrow.com/journal/2009/04/this-is-not-a-glitch-amazonfail/comment-page-5/#comment-56239</link>
		<dc:creator>Official Shrub.com Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Update on AmazonFail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are some good posts that point out the flaws with Amazon&#8217;s explanation: This Is Not A Glitch, #amazonfail Seattle PI has new #amazonfail statement Amazon&#8217;s censorship sparks angry protests Amazon [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are some good posts that point out the flaws with Amazon&#8217;s explanation: This Is Not A Glitch, #amazonfail Seattle PI has new #amazonfail statement Amazon&#8217;s censorship sparks angry protests Amazon [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Photomaniacal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Heather Corinna: Thousands of titles on sex and sexuality were de-ranked by Amazon.com. They have yet to apologise</title>
		<link>http://www.lilithsaintcrow.com/journal/2009/04/this-is-not-a-glitch-amazonfail/comment-page-4/#comment-56238</link>
		<dc:creator>Photomaniacal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Heather Corinna: Thousands of titles on sex and sexuality were de-ranked by Amazon.com. They have yet to apologise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] notion of this as a &#8220;glitch&#8221; or careless error is a tough pill to swallow. Some authors and publishers have received [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lili</title>
		<link>http://www.lilithsaintcrow.com/journal/2009/04/this-is-not-a-glitch-amazonfail/comment-page-4/#comment-56211</link>
		<dc:creator>Lili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Grace above:

Knowing exactly what the error was wasn&#039;t necessary. A simple statement of &quot;We are working to get to the bottom of this and sincerely apologize for the inconvenience&quot; etc. from a spokesperson was necessary and did not happen. The PR people can&#039;t speak if someone doesn&#039;t give them the okay--this is not rage focused at them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Grace above:</p>
<p>Knowing exactly what the error was wasn&#8217;t necessary. A simple statement of &#8220;We are working to get to the bottom of this and sincerely apologize for the inconvenience&#8221; etc. from a spokesperson was necessary and did not happen. The PR people can&#8217;t speak if someone doesn&#8217;t give them the okay&#8211;this is not rage focused at them.</p>
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		<title>By: Grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 04:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, so now we&#039;re moving on from accusing Amazon of wholesale LGBT-bashing, and instead focusing internet rage on the PR people?

Guys, they probably had no idea what was happening.  There were multiple possibilities: code error, algorithm error, user-generated tagging error, hacker or trolling squad.  What on earth else COULD they say if they hadn&#039;t identified the cause, other than &quot;you&#039;re right, there&#039;s a glitch, we&#039;re working on it&quot;?

The internet moves very fast, and I think people have forgotten that sometimes it takes time to get to the root of a problem.  In this case, they appear to have narrowed things down to a categorization error by the Monday night of the fracas.  Considering how much time and resource they must&#039;ve chucked at the system to find the flaw, that&#039;s a pretty good turnaround.

People are expecting PR and Amazon to be omniscient; they&#039;re not.  How are they supposed to give a precise answer to the error when they&#039;ve not found it yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, so now we&#8217;re moving on from accusing Amazon of wholesale LGBT-bashing, and instead focusing internet rage on the PR people?</p>
<p>Guys, they probably had no idea what was happening.  There were multiple possibilities: code error, algorithm error, user-generated tagging error, hacker or trolling squad.  What on earth else COULD they say if they hadn&#8217;t identified the cause, other than &#8220;you&#8217;re right, there&#8217;s a glitch, we&#8217;re working on it&#8221;?</p>
<p>The internet moves very fast, and I think people have forgotten that sometimes it takes time to get to the root of a problem.  In this case, they appear to have narrowed things down to a categorization error by the Monday night of the fracas.  Considering how much time and resource they must&#8217;ve chucked at the system to find the flaw, that&#8217;s a pretty good turnaround.</p>
<p>People are expecting PR and Amazon to be omniscient; they&#8217;re not.  How are they supposed to give a precise answer to the error when they&#8217;ve not found it yet?</p>
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		<title>By: digg &#187; Blog Archive &#187; AmazonFAIL: How Online Social Tools Can Wreak Havoc — and Repair It</title>
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		<dc:creator>digg &#187; Blog Archive &#187; AmazonFAIL: How Online Social Tools Can Wreak Havoc — and Repair It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and disseminating. Authors tweeted about missing books, readers posted links to breaking news and why-would-Amazon-do-this theories, and a petition demanding that Amazon rescind its adult policy gathered 10,000 names in less than [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and disseminating. Authors tweeted about missing books, readers posted links to breaking news and why-would-Amazon-do-this theories, and a petition demanding that Amazon rescind its adult policy gathered 10,000 names in less than [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Due to the lamentable lack of information from Amazon, it is easy and _possibly_ incorrect to take what we have, and reach conclusions based on it.

The &quot;it&#039;s been going on since February&quot; argument does not, in itself, prove anything.  The issue is not really whether some material might be ineligible for ranking (a foolish, in my mind, but fundamentally tolerable if misguided policy), but why whole categories of material suddenly got swept into the that category.

Thus, it is not impossible that the &quot;glitch&quot; that Amazon refers to is a glitch in their systems, not a (just) simple glitch in their software.  That (re-)opens the door to the notion that the phenomenon is a consequence of a concerted effort to game those systems.

Or maybe not.  But the point is that there is not enough evidence to conclude that the February events are related to the Easter events.

Beyond which, from a purely practical standpoint, it seems to me wildly unlikely that a deliberate corporate strategic policy implementation would occur during a weekend.  Typically, sane people roll out new systems and policies overnight so that the full staff would be on hand if things go wrong.  This mitigates against it being strategic.  But again, this is not proof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Due to the lamentable lack of information from Amazon, it is easy and _possibly_ incorrect to take what we have, and reach conclusions based on it.</p>
<p>The &#8220;it&#8217;s been going on since February&#8221; argument does not, in itself, prove anything.  The issue is not really whether some material might be ineligible for ranking (a foolish, in my mind, but fundamentally tolerable if misguided policy), but why whole categories of material suddenly got swept into the that category.</p>
<p>Thus, it is not impossible that the &#8220;glitch&#8221; that Amazon refers to is a glitch in their systems, not a (just) simple glitch in their software.  That (re-)opens the door to the notion that the phenomenon is a consequence of a concerted effort to game those systems.</p>
<p>Or maybe not.  But the point is that there is not enough evidence to conclude that the February events are related to the Easter events.</p>
<p>Beyond which, from a purely practical standpoint, it seems to me wildly unlikely that a deliberate corporate strategic policy implementation would occur during a weekend.  Typically, sane people roll out new systems and policies overnight so that the full staff would be on hand if things go wrong.  This mitigates against it being strategic.  But again, this is not proof.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Daisey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Daisey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After hearing from people on the inside at Amazon, I am convinced it was in fact, a &quot;glitch.&quot;

Well, more like user error--some idiot editing code for one of the many international versions of Amazon mixed up the difference between &quot;adult&quot; and &quot;erotic&quot; and &quot;sexuality&quot;. All the sites are tied together, so editing one affected all for blacklisting, and ta-da, you get this situation.

The CS rep who responded that this was Amazon policy was just confused about what they were talking about, and gave standard boilerplate about porn.

The dumbest part is saying it was a &quot;glitch&quot;. A &quot;glitch&quot;? Just say that it was one of your workers making an editing error. Really dumb PR move, that one.

Let me know if you actually want more details on how it went down, but it&#039;s pretty boring and technical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After hearing from people on the inside at Amazon, I am convinced it was in fact, a &#8220;glitch.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, more like user error&#8211;some idiot editing code for one of the many international versions of Amazon mixed up the difference between &#8220;adult&#8221; and &#8220;erotic&#8221; and &#8220;sexuality&#8221;. All the sites are tied together, so editing one affected all for blacklisting, and ta-da, you get this situation.</p>
<p>The CS rep who responded that this was Amazon policy was just confused about what they were talking about, and gave standard boilerplate about porn.</p>
<p>The dumbest part is saying it was a &#8220;glitch&#8221;. A &#8220;glitch&#8221;? Just say that it was one of your workers making an editing error. Really dumb PR move, that one.</p>
<p>Let me know if you actually want more details on how it went down, but it&#8217;s pretty boring and technical.</p>
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		<title>By: AmazonFAIL: How Online Social Tools Can Wreak Havoc—and Repair It by Deanna Zandt - Majority Post</title>
		<link>http://www.lilithsaintcrow.com/journal/2009/04/this-is-not-a-glitch-amazonfail/comment-page-4/#comment-56163</link>
		<dc:creator>AmazonFAIL: How Online Social Tools Can Wreak Havoc—and Repair It by Deanna Zandt - Majority Post</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and disseminating. Authors tweeted about missing books, readers posted links to breaking news and why-would-Amazon-do-this theories, and a petition demanding that Amazon rescind its adult policy gathered 10,000 names in less than [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely do not buy the &#039;glitch&#039; explanation, and have just closed my account. Although I was a frequent customer, this has made me so livid that I don&#039;t want to give Amazon one more dollar, ever.
I&#039;ll add though that the very last purchase I made from Amazon was The Gift of Fear.  Thank you so much for recommending it to your readers! I will in turn be suggesting that all of my girlfriends pick up a copy... from Powell&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely do not buy the &#8216;glitch&#8217; explanation, and have just closed my account. Although I was a frequent customer, this has made me so livid that I don&#8217;t want to give Amazon one more dollar, ever.<br />
I&#8217;ll add though that the very last purchase I made from Amazon was The Gift of Fear.  Thank you so much for recommending it to your readers! I will in turn be suggesting that all of my girlfriends pick up a copy&#8230; from Powell&#8217;s.</p>
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