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	<title>Comments on: On Groups, Workshops, And Agendas</title>
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		<title>By: Lilith Saintcrow &#187; Blog Archive &#187; On Agents, And The Beta Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lilith Saintcrow &#187; Blog Archive &#187; On Agents, And The Beta Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] much, but it is huge. The wrong kind of critique can kill a work in those tender first stages, and someone with an emotional agenda can eff up your love of your work beyond [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] much, but it is huge. The wrong kind of critique can kill a work in those tender first stages, and someone with an emotional agenda can eff up your love of your work beyond [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kiran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, if people just did instead of reading about doing, maybe they could have a sense of accomplishment... but I&#039;m not cynical at all:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, if people just did instead of reading about doing, maybe they could have a sense of accomplishment&#8230; but I&#8217;m not cynical at all:)</p>
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		<title>By: Annemarie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annemarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Writing groups are definitely a mixed bag. I would add to your list an additional problem: Lack of actual critique.

Back in my reporting days, one of my jobs was to review books by local authors. Almost all were self-published; some were astoundingly good. 

One was beyond awful. 

The lady who wrote it had clearly worked hard and long on it. She was a member of a writing group which had been &quot;so supportive, I felt bathed in love.&quot; (Yes really. I heard all about it because she called me  EVERY DAY to see if I&#039;d read her book yet. Thank God it was an election year and I was mainly a political reporter, so I could truthfully say I&#039;d been busy.) 

Oh, the book was bad. The characters changed personality mid-stream; the plot was incomprehensible. One would think her writing group would at least have caught the two chapters that had been physically switched. (One was Chapter Three, the other Chapter Twelve...) But no. The group loved it. I heard from them too. &quot;Couldn&#039;t you just tell her it was good?&quot;

That is surely kind, shoring up the ego of someone who evidently needed it. But it did not make her a better writer.

BTW, I recommend a couple years in journalism for anyone who wants to write; you lose the attitude real fast, learn to write on tight deadlines, and get used to negative feedback. Also you get a regular paycheck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Writing groups are definitely a mixed bag. I would add to your list an additional problem: Lack of actual critique.</p>
<p>Back in my reporting days, one of my jobs was to review books by local authors. Almost all were self-published; some were astoundingly good. </p>
<p>One was beyond awful. </p>
<p>The lady who wrote it had clearly worked hard and long on it. She was a member of a writing group which had been &#8220;so supportive, I felt bathed in love.&#8221; (Yes really. I heard all about it because she called me  EVERY DAY to see if I&#8217;d read her book yet. Thank God it was an election year and I was mainly a political reporter, so I could truthfully say I&#8217;d been busy.) </p>
<p>Oh, the book was bad. The characters changed personality mid-stream; the plot was incomprehensible. One would think her writing group would at least have caught the two chapters that had been physically switched. (One was Chapter Three, the other Chapter Twelve&#8230;) But no. The group loved it. I heard from them too. &#8220;Couldn&#8217;t you just tell her it was good?&#8221;</p>
<p>That is surely kind, shoring up the ego of someone who evidently needed it. But it did not make her a better writer.</p>
<p>BTW, I recommend a couple years in journalism for anyone who wants to write; you lose the attitude real fast, learn to write on tight deadlines, and get used to negative feedback. Also you get a regular paycheck.</p>
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		<title>By: Hope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, please explain Beta Reader? Also what source do you use to find the words milaya &amp; verscht za?

My computer won&#039;t let me email you with your link. Wants me to set up an internet connections wizard. Vista...

Thanks so much for your books! Keep em coming.

Hope</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, please explain Beta Reader? Also what source do you use to find the words milaya &amp; verscht za?</p>
<p>My computer won&#8217;t let me email you with your link. Wants me to set up an internet connections wizard. Vista&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks so much for your books! Keep em coming.</p>
<p>Hope</p>
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